Comments on: Purito Sunscreen and All About SPF Testing https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/ The science of beauty, explained simply Wed, 19 Jul 2023 01:43:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: RS https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-224614 Sat, 11 Jun 2022 09:26:41 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-224614 Dear Michelle
I am so grateful for the time you take to go through all the research , lay it all out so beautifully in an objective and unbiased way and then explain it so thoroughly to us. This is so incredibly valuable on many levels, including teaching people how to question what they are told and how to assess data. You are amazing and truly providing an incredible public service. Bless you. Thank you for sharing all your energy and expertise

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By: Michelle https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-177884 Mon, 29 Nov 2021 02:25:03 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-177884 In reply to Guest.

I think she has a good point with how Asian brands tend to produce different sunscreens with the same name, which leads to confusion for consumers (and IMO it erodes their reputation – I’m very disappointed that Shiseido does this) – it would be great if they didn’t do that! But I disagree with many of the points:

* The Consumer Reports test replicates the official water resistance test used in many places (US, Australia, EU, Brazil etc.), so it isn’t a “made-up methodology” or “terrible science” – perhaps she’s less familiar with it because there’s no regulation for water resistance in Japan. Third party tests from ICRT organisations usually use valid methodologies (but with lower reliability due to sample sizes).
* In vivo UVA testing is not considered by sunscreen scientists to be superior to in vitro UVA testing – in vitro UVA tests are standardised by comparison to in vivo SPF results for the same sunscreen, and there isn’t a universally recognised biological endpoint for UVA like erythema for UVB.
* She didn’t mention this in this particular post, but I’ve seen her say elsewhere that the Consumer HK tests that found some Japanese sunscreens were invalid because they used in vitro tests, but they used in vivo (https://twitter.com/ratzillacosme/status/1340471948535447552)

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By: Guest https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-176680 Thu, 25 Nov 2021 05:44:50 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-176680 Hi Michelle, did you see RatzillaCosme’s post on 3rd-party sunscreen testings in Asia? https://www.ratzillacosme.com/updates/2021/06/third-party-sunscreen-testings-some-thoughts/

She covers some interesting discrepancies for East/South East Asian consumer tests.

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By: Janine https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-126778 Wed, 14 Jul 2021 06:00:40 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-126778 This was amazing, Michelle. I’m surprised sunscreen formulators don’t all eventually lose their minds. Mine is currently spinning with the insane number of tricky areas in the development process. Two things I kept thinking: 1) finding the right sunscreen seems to be as tricky as finding the right person; you just have to keep trying. And two: If tricky things about making sunscreen were a drinking game, every player would die of alcohol poisoning.

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By: Jean https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-92003 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 23:28:47 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-92003 Thank you for this! This being said, do you have some sunscreens you do recommmend?

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By: Rachel https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-91864 Tue, 05 Jan 2021 14:47:39 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-91864 In reply to Jason.

My MIL had 2 melanomas removed off her legs. It’s quite sad to see people now in their 50’s and older who are constantly having atypical moles removed. A lot of men particularly get lesions on their face and upper back. Back in the 80’s there was the “slip, slop, slap” marketing for skin protection but many people only felt the need to apply sunscreen if they were going to the beach for the day or attending a sports game. Not the incidental exposure.

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By: Kathleen https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-89618 Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:27:45 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-89618 In reply to Emily.

Yes you’re so right Emily! I knew people back in the ’70’s who had skin cancer. The problem however is that the threat is much greater. When I started using sun screen (early ’80’s) I was using a 15 SPF while out in the sun all day in Mexico! I came home as white as if I hadn’t been south at all – no one believed me honestly 🙂 now a 15 would be problematic. In fact I had been using the Klairs and did notice some colour in my face which I found alarming. I don’t believe we should be using anything less than 30 and that’s on dark, winter, overcast days at most. Most days in the summer I wouldn’t venture out less than a 50 PA++++.

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By: Emily https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-89617 Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:05:28 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-89617 In reply to Jason.

Really? My grandfather had melanoma on his ears and nose thanks to an outdoor job (park ranger) and no sunscreen. Skin cancer existed back then, my dude.

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By: Hannah https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-89578 Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:56:44 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-89578 Hi, I live in the US and I’d really like to get a sunscreen with tinosorb or a more advanced filter than mineral sunscreens for broad spectrum due to living on the west coast. I’ve tried to get the Ulta Violette and La Roche Posay sun cream, but they aren’t shipping those to the US. It looks like the only one I can find with tinosorb is the skinceuticals one, but it’s also so expensive. Do you have any recommended alternatives?

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By: Michelle https://labmuffin.com/purito-sunscreen-and-all-about-spf-testing-with-video/#comment-89575 Sun, 13 Dec 2020 07:42:37 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=11167#comment-89575 In reply to J.

It seems to be made by the same lab, which is a bigger cause for concern IMO.

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