Comments on: Ranking Reddit’s Top Skincare Tips https://labmuffin.com/ranking-reddits-top-skincare-tips/ The science of beauty, explained simply Tue, 03 Oct 2023 02:44:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: Michelle Wong https://labmuffin.com/ranking-reddits-top-skincare-tips/#comment-284946 Sat, 26 Aug 2023 12:55:08 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=14420#comment-284946 In reply to Lena.

Actually I missed this the first time – the calculation is definitely incorrect because SPF isn’t a direct measure of UVB protection, it’s UVB with a bit of UVA contribution (see e.g. here: “a hypothetical ‘UVB-sunscreen’ that blocks all UVB and transmits all UVA radiation would only have an SPF 11”). So unless you can subtract the UVA contribution (impossible without having the spectrum and doing a lot of maths) you can’t calculate the Boots rating (which is UVA/UVB ratio) from SPF (undetemined mix of UVA and UVB) or vice versa.

I don’t think this is a popular enough topic to dedicate a full video to, but you can point people to this comment if you want 🙂

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By: Lena https://labmuffin.com/ranking-reddits-top-skincare-tips/#comment-284524 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 22:26:51 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=14420#comment-284524 In reply to Michelle Wong.

Thanks for the reply.

Regardless of whether the relation can be easily calculated or not, it might be a good idea to spread the knowledge that the boots star rating isn’t simply the percentage of UVA compared to UVB? Since that’s what most people seem to believe.

If you wanna see where I got the equation from you can google “The Best Sunscreens With High UVA Protection: Scientific Sunscreen Guide Part III.” by a blog called Science Becomes Her. It’s in the comments by someone named Peter Kloosterman. They also provided sources for why they think this might be the right way to calculate it. Maybe you can take a look at it if you’re interested.

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By: Michelle Wong https://labmuffin.com/ranking-reddits-top-skincare-tips/#comment-284452 Wed, 23 Aug 2023 11:17:58 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=14420#comment-284452 In reply to Lena.

My understanding is that the Boots Star Rating is simply the ratio of the area under the curve for UVA vs UVB measured in vitro using the Boots method (which is slightly different from the broad spectrum method), but UVAPF involves taking the UVA spectrum and weighting with the PPD action spectrum at each wavelength (my maths is not good enough to really understand this part, but I believe it’s usually an automated process where you can just import the spectral data into a spreadsheet and it calculates it for you). I’m not sure it’s even possible to convert between them without having the actual absorbance spectrum though…

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By: Lena https://labmuffin.com/ranking-reddits-top-skincare-tips/#comment-284286 Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:01:37 +0000 https://labmuffin.com/?p=14420#comment-284286 Hey,

could you maybe do a video/post about the boots star rating system please? Most people think (including myself until recently) that the stars simply show the percentage of UVA that’s blocked compared to UVB. So using an SPF 50 sunscreen with a boots star rating of five they calculate 50*0.9 and end up with a UVA-PF of 45. But tbh a UVA protection that is almost 1:1 to SPF has always seemed pretty unrealistic to me. Recently I’ve come across a different way of calculating the UVA-PF with the boots star rating where you calculate the power instead. So 50^0.9=34. A UVA protection like that looks a lot more realistic. I’m not sure if I can include links here but I’m going to copy the equation that made the person think that this could be the true relation between UVA and UVB in the boots star rating system.

* Boots = Auva / Auvb
with A = -log(T)
with T= transmission from 0-1

* Absorbance % = 100 – 100/SPF
Transmittance = 100 – abs = 100/SPF
Transmittance (fraction) = 1/SPF

* Boots = -log(Tuva) / -log(Tuvb)
Boots * log(Tuvb) = log(Tuva)
Tuvb^Boots = Tuva
(1/SPF)^boots = 1/UVAPF
UVAPF = 1 /(1/SPF)^boots = SPF^boots

Would love to hear your thoughts on this cause I feel like there are many misunderstandings regarding the boots star system.

Kind regards,

Lena

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